Tlar & Friends Exchanging Thoughts Part 1
Post From Currency Chatter –Tlar & Friends Part 1 of 2
BlueyesinLevis: I just wrote this to a friend.. who was surprised by these possibilities we are entertaining.
BlueyesinLevis: I just wrote this to a friend.. who was surprised by these possibilities we are entertaining.
I know it sounds crazy.. but whatever it is.. there is something to it.. there is something going on… and has been for some time.
Think about it.. this thing us HUGE.. really.. it is huge… it is NOT happening in a vacuum.. it is not like we are the only ones who are hip to the trip.
WF.. Citibank… Chase
Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Biden. Gore. Bushes…. all the politicians.. they are ALL heavily invested.. because if they are NOT.. then it is not real.
It cant be halfway, bro… this is real or it is not.
BlueyesinLevis Continues: We say all the time…
“we are on the banksters team.. they never lose”…. so is it any surpise that there are /may be crazy underground legal banking preparations being made?
He replied.
“There are some basic fundamentals to this “investment” that appeal to me in a very strong way. And no matter how hard I want to be a skeptic sometimes, I can’t ignore those fundamentals, and they haven’t changed.
It is that mindset that assures me that this is indeed very real. To what degree we will gain is an unknown. Regardless of all the experts, gurus, researchers and all of their colorful opinions, the protectors of the truth (whomever they all are) have not given is all the information we would need to figure it out, and they won’t.
We are using estimated variables that are purely guesswork. So, I look at this as a definite gain SOMEDAY to SOME degree. In the end, whenever that may be, I feel we will all be a little surprised somehow in a good way (any gains would be good) but I don’t buy into the high initial rates. Could it REALLY be that this week concludes it?
Well, IF it’s true that the seated and settled GOI is all Turki has left on his checklist, then yes, it could be. But, despite all the reassurances of M being done and gone, I’m not buying that until I see it.
Even then, I’ll expect him to find a podium somewhere the very next morning declaring himself as PM. So I think the fight is on, but not as close to over as we might think.
It’s probably just my infinite number of disappointments over the years that have created a very cynical side of myself that I struggle with occasionally, or maybe it’s just reality to expect patterns to continue.
To expect him to just give up is unrealistic based on what we’ve witnessed all these years. That said, I’m praying that somehow someway this ends very soon. There’s a **** of a lot of golf courses, awesome family vacations, sports cars, good food and free time calling my name! “ ~ Pagerdr
Pagerdr: Thanks for sharing my reply, Blue. I plan on visiting the forum again a bit more instead of always clogging up your email with my replies lol. Anticipation of The RV is WORSE than The RV itself!
Just A Guy: So we all are still holding on to the July 1st window? And there isnt a date further out than is one? If this is true, i feel that is kind of scary…I heard january 1st about a month ago, is there anything to this?
No dising anyone, but I have become so num with all the pervious dates that I am just used to the idea of looking further down the road.
Pagerdr: We have reason to be hopeful for early July. But I always recommend keeping an open mind. There appear to be a lot of signs showing a push for our current window, but things can change. I always tell myself that I’m just grateful to have been included in this, regardless of when it bears fruit. – Anticipation of The RV is WORSE than The RV itself!
BlueyesinLevis: The fiscal year begins January 1. That is the best most optimum day of the year to change the rate. July 1 is 2nd very best day of the year.. fiscaly speaking.. accounting and book keeping, taxes, etc.
-There is talk of the budget being retroactive back to January 1.. if so it makes no difference what date it is done.. If so.. then that makes this July 1st a big day for GOI reasons.. new parliament.. choosing new leaders ( PM, Pres, Speaker) …
Yeah JaG… I do not expect to see a magic change of rate Tuesday morning… but I am confident that we will see it sometime this year…. by January 1…. and many others think we will see it very shortly after the “Maliki is Gone!” Celebrations across Iraq subside….
RandyT00: My family has been invested for the past several years and I have been researching this subject on their behalf. I hate to show my ignorance but could someone explain the difference between an RI and an RV for me?
I think I understand the concepts behind the “delete the zeros” program and an RV which have been focused on. I think I was asleep at the switch when an RI may have been discussed. Thanks.
Diana: Tlar I have a question. If this same thing happened in Ca. a month ago and now in Dallas could this not drag on for months roaming from one city to another?
Randytoo, an RI is a reinstatement, meaning the IQD would come out at the rate it was at the time it was devalued -+ 20%. Hope that helps!
Aces: An RI is a reinstatement of the old rate at what ever it was, but I believe it will RV some where near the kuwait dinar, I hope that helps
Phillyman: Randy, You certainly are not alone in what you see as ignorance of this investment. Quite frankly even those who have poured hours into understanding the politics, currency and culture can only make educated guesses about how and when this will take place. This has been a very humbling investment. Praying it RVs soon.
Sager: Hi all, just want to thank you all for the great thoughts you’ve shared. I am grateful.
With that said, one thing I’d like to share is that many people underestimate the significance of the Council On Foreign relations article that was posted a few days ago stating that the government would be formed next Tuesday.
Folks, when the CFR speaks, things happen, plain and simple. Back in 2010, the CFR met with Maliki prior to him becoming prime minister. Obama met with the CFR prior to him becoming president.
When I saw this article from the CFR, I had peace in my mind knowing that next tuesday the goi (more specifically the parliament) will be complete.
Here is the article: http://www.cfr.org/about/newsletters/archive/newsletter/n2025
Just thought I’d share Sager
Thanks Sager, Here’s the article! (note: Council of Foriegn Affairs) Top of the Agenda
Iraq to Form New Government Next Week
The Iraqi parliament will convene on Tuesday to try to form a new government, Iraq’s vice president said Thursday (AP). Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, who leads the powerful Mahdi army, echoed Western diplomats in calling for an emergency national unity government, a day after Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki rebuked such demands (Al Jazeera).
Iran is flying surveillance drones over Iraq and supplying Iraqi armed forced with materiel, U.S. officials said (NYT), while policymakers in Tehran are debating the merits of supporting besieged allies in Baghdad and Damascus (WSJ). Meanwhile, U.S. secretary of state John Kerry is seeking to muster support from Arab allies to peel Sunni tribesmen from their tactical alliance with ISIS (WSJ).
Analysis
“U.S. President Barack Obama, a man who campaigned on extricating the United States from ‘dumb’ wars in the Middle East, finds himself potentially embroiled in another one. He is sending a small contingent of special forces to work with the Iraqi military, but many in Washington are urging him to take more decisive action against the ISIL militants sweeping across Iraq, seizing territory and oil facilities and threatening to sow chaos in Baghdad and beyond.
This was not inevitable. The Syrian revolution—and the hesitant, confused international reaction to it—paved the way for the resurrection of a militant Islam that would turn vast regions of Iraq and Syria into borderless jihadi strongholds and inch closer to redrawing the map of the Middle East—in practical terms if not on paper,” writes Rania Abouzeid in Politico Magazine.
“Simply bombing ISIS strongholds won’t do the trick. In fact, military action alone will only further alienate the Sunnis—and reinforce the notion that America serves as Maliki’s air force. Advocates of American military action worry that an unchecked ISIS might someday launch terrorist strikes against the United States or Western Europe.
Maybe so. But another way to inspire such attacks is to bomb ISIS positions (and probably kill some Sunni civilians in the process) while doing nothing to reform Iraqi politics,” writes CFR’s Fred Kaplan in Slate.
“Iraq’s parliamentary elections, which were held at the end of April, may open the way to getting rid of Maliki and reconfiguring power in a new national-unity government. But the country’s squabbling politicians are obstinate.
After the previous elections, in 2010, the parliament broke a world record for the longest time taken to form a new government, bickering for a full nine months until Maliki, whose alliance had come in second in popular votes, and his thirty-four-member cabinet were approved. Maliki prevailed by simply holding out longer than the others; the same intransigence has characterized his style of governance ever since,” writes Robin Wright for the New Yorker.
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Tlar: Diana, Yes it could still be on hold until there is a new government IMO.. But in the past these kinds of invitations were based on the facts at that time. Banks are guessing just like we are. Until it is done, it is not done.
Shabibi saying he was going to change monetary policy in 2010 and again in 2012 Sept, the leak of Turki’s confidential discussions with the EC and FC saying he was going to do it in January, and again when Maliki was to be voted out by no confidence vote, these were all thought to be possibilities that this was about to happen and things were about to change.
These seem to be key times when it looked as though banks thought they may be going to do it and reacted by making preparations. This time I think is different.
If Maliki is taken out or resigns and he will be, there is a sense of freedom coming. The ISIS will be removed quickly by the Peshmerga, the Sunni’s and the Iraqi army, all fighting together as Iraqi’s against a common enemy.
The CBI will be finally free of this menace government and won’t have to sit on the reserves like a mother hen to protect them from a hostile government scheming to get their dirty hands on ithem which would have at least temporarily (years) set the program back.
Turki a couple of months ago himself said I would love to do it today (as in now) if the government was “settled”. The government will be “settled” maybe as early as next week which is also very close to his other timeline Turki stated he wanted to do this, which is around July 1st.
The CBI has been ready since October of last year and has said so in many articles stating that all the necessary tools were in place. It is like a baby that is coming but already 8 months late.
So it is my opinion maybe the banks are once again trying to get a head start in this not wanting to be blindsided. This is a big deal and lots of money will be made. I can assure you of one thing. Big deals are worked on in advance with lots of planning and preparation. Tlar
Dinarblowyourhorn: When one asks, “If someone wants dinar, why don’t they just get them from a dealer like regular folks?” – I get it…it seems like a reasonable question.
However, there are many reasonable things that are only reasonable to me because I do not know some important peice of a legal, ethical, or technical information.
If I was in possession of this nugget of information and understanding, perhaps I would immediately see the whys and wherfores behind what today seems unreasonable.
It is apparent I do not know everything. Butt, for some reason I feel I know a measure of character, honesty, diligence, and smarts demonstrated by the likes of Tlar and others.
So, I suppose I humbly yield to what I believe I know in that regard and accept that I do not know other things that might relieve any tension between believing the person and understanding what seems unreasonable to me.
“we are on the banksters team.. they never lose”…. so is it any surpise that there are /may be crazy underground legal banking preparations being made?
He replied.
“There are some basic fundamentals to this “investment” that appeal to me in a very strong way. And no matter how hard I want to be a skeptic sometimes, I can’t ignore those fundamentals, and they haven’t changed.
It is that mindset that assures me that this is indeed very real. To what degree we will gain is an unknown. Regardless of all the experts, gurus, researchers and all of their colorful opinions, the protectors of the truth (whomever they all are) have not given is all the information we would need to figure it out, and they won’t.
We are using estimated variables that are purely guesswork. So, I look at this as a definite gain SOMEDAY to SOME degree. In the end, whenever that may be, I feel we will all be a little surprised somehow in a good way (any gains would be good) but I don’t buy into the high initial rates. Could it REALLY be that this week concludes it?
Well, IF it’s true that the seated and settled GOI is all Turki has left on his checklist, then yes, it could be. But, despite all the reassurances of M being done and gone, I’m not buying that until I see it.
Even then, I’ll expect him to find a podium somewhere the very next morning declaring himself as PM. So I think the fight is on, but not as close to over as we might think.
It’s probably just my infinite number of disappointments over the years that have created a very cynical side of myself that I struggle with occasionally, or maybe it’s just reality to expect patterns to continue.
To expect him to just give up is unrealistic based on what we’ve witnessed all these years. That said, I’m praying that somehow someway this ends very soon. There’s a **** of a lot of golf courses, awesome family vacations, sports cars, good food and free time calling my name! “ ~ Pagerdr
Pagerdr: Thanks for sharing my reply, Blue. I plan on visiting the forum again a bit more instead of always clogging up your email with my replies lol. Anticipation of The RV is WORSE than The RV itself!
Just A Guy: So we all are still holding on to the July 1st window? And there isnt a date further out than is one? If this is true, i feel that is kind of scary…I heard january 1st about a month ago, is there anything to this?
No dising anyone, but I have become so num with all the pervious dates that I am just used to the idea of looking further down the road.
Pagerdr: We have reason to be hopeful for early July. But I always recommend keeping an open mind. There appear to be a lot of signs showing a push for our current window, but things can change. I always tell myself that I’m just grateful to have been included in this, regardless of when it bears fruit. – Anticipation of The RV is WORSE than The RV itself!
BlueyesinLevis: The fiscal year begins January 1. That is the best most optimum day of the year to change the rate. July 1 is 2nd very best day of the year.. fiscaly speaking.. accounting and book keeping, taxes, etc.
-There is talk of the budget being retroactive back to January 1.. if so it makes no difference what date it is done.. If so.. then that makes this July 1st a big day for GOI reasons.. new parliament.. choosing new leaders ( PM, Pres, Speaker) …
Yeah JaG… I do not expect to see a magic change of rate Tuesday morning… but I am confident that we will see it sometime this year…. by January 1…. and many others think we will see it very shortly after the “Maliki is Gone!” Celebrations across Iraq subside….
RandyT00: My family has been invested for the past several years and I have been researching this subject on their behalf. I hate to show my ignorance but could someone explain the difference between an RI and an RV for me?
I think I understand the concepts behind the “delete the zeros” program and an RV which have been focused on. I think I was asleep at the switch when an RI may have been discussed. Thanks.
Diana: Tlar I have a question. If this same thing happened in Ca. a month ago and now in Dallas could this not drag on for months roaming from one city to another?
Randytoo, an RI is a reinstatement, meaning the IQD would come out at the rate it was at the time it was devalued -+ 20%. Hope that helps!
Aces: An RI is a reinstatement of the old rate at what ever it was, but I believe it will RV some where near the kuwait dinar, I hope that helps
Phillyman: Randy, You certainly are not alone in what you see as ignorance of this investment. Quite frankly even those who have poured hours into understanding the politics, currency and culture can only make educated guesses about how and when this will take place. This has been a very humbling investment. Praying it RVs soon.
Sager: Hi all, just want to thank you all for the great thoughts you’ve shared. I am grateful.
With that said, one thing I’d like to share is that many people underestimate the significance of the Council On Foreign relations article that was posted a few days ago stating that the government would be formed next Tuesday.
Folks, when the CFR speaks, things happen, plain and simple. Back in 2010, the CFR met with Maliki prior to him becoming prime minister. Obama met with the CFR prior to him becoming president.
When I saw this article from the CFR, I had peace in my mind knowing that next tuesday the goi (more specifically the parliament) will be complete.
Here is the article: http://www.cfr.org/about/newsletters/archive/newsletter/n2025
Just thought I’d share Sager
Thanks Sager, Here’s the article! (note: Council of Foriegn Affairs) Top of the Agenda
Iraq to Form New Government Next Week
The Iraqi parliament will convene on Tuesday to try to form a new government, Iraq’s vice president said Thursday (AP). Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, who leads the powerful Mahdi army, echoed Western diplomats in calling for an emergency national unity government, a day after Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki rebuked such demands (Al Jazeera).
Iran is flying surveillance drones over Iraq and supplying Iraqi armed forced with materiel, U.S. officials said (NYT), while policymakers in Tehran are debating the merits of supporting besieged allies in Baghdad and Damascus (WSJ). Meanwhile, U.S. secretary of state John Kerry is seeking to muster support from Arab allies to peel Sunni tribesmen from their tactical alliance with ISIS (WSJ).
Analysis
“U.S. President Barack Obama, a man who campaigned on extricating the United States from ‘dumb’ wars in the Middle East, finds himself potentially embroiled in another one. He is sending a small contingent of special forces to work with the Iraqi military, but many in Washington are urging him to take more decisive action against the ISIL militants sweeping across Iraq, seizing territory and oil facilities and threatening to sow chaos in Baghdad and beyond.
This was not inevitable. The Syrian revolution—and the hesitant, confused international reaction to it—paved the way for the resurrection of a militant Islam that would turn vast regions of Iraq and Syria into borderless jihadi strongholds and inch closer to redrawing the map of the Middle East—in practical terms if not on paper,” writes Rania Abouzeid in Politico Magazine.
“Simply bombing ISIS strongholds won’t do the trick. In fact, military action alone will only further alienate the Sunnis—and reinforce the notion that America serves as Maliki’s air force. Advocates of American military action worry that an unchecked ISIS might someday launch terrorist strikes against the United States or Western Europe.
Maybe so. But another way to inspire such attacks is to bomb ISIS positions (and probably kill some Sunni civilians in the process) while doing nothing to reform Iraqi politics,” writes CFR’s Fred Kaplan in Slate.
“Iraq’s parliamentary elections, which were held at the end of April, may open the way to getting rid of Maliki and reconfiguring power in a new national-unity government. But the country’s squabbling politicians are obstinate.
After the previous elections, in 2010, the parliament broke a world record for the longest time taken to form a new government, bickering for a full nine months until Maliki, whose alliance had come in second in popular votes, and his thirty-four-member cabinet were approved. Maliki prevailed by simply holding out longer than the others; the same intransigence has characterized his style of governance ever since,” writes Robin Wright for the New Yorker.
************
Tlar: Diana, Yes it could still be on hold until there is a new government IMO.. But in the past these kinds of invitations were based on the facts at that time. Banks are guessing just like we are. Until it is done, it is not done.
Shabibi saying he was going to change monetary policy in 2010 and again in 2012 Sept, the leak of Turki’s confidential discussions with the EC and FC saying he was going to do it in January, and again when Maliki was to be voted out by no confidence vote, these were all thought to be possibilities that this was about to happen and things were about to change.
These seem to be key times when it looked as though banks thought they may be going to do it and reacted by making preparations. This time I think is different.
If Maliki is taken out or resigns and he will be, there is a sense of freedom coming. The ISIS will be removed quickly by the Peshmerga, the Sunni’s and the Iraqi army, all fighting together as Iraqi’s against a common enemy.
The CBI will be finally free of this menace government and won’t have to sit on the reserves like a mother hen to protect them from a hostile government scheming to get their dirty hands on ithem which would have at least temporarily (years) set the program back.
Turki a couple of months ago himself said I would love to do it today (as in now) if the government was “settled”. The government will be “settled” maybe as early as next week which is also very close to his other timeline Turki stated he wanted to do this, which is around July 1st.
The CBI has been ready since October of last year and has said so in many articles stating that all the necessary tools were in place. It is like a baby that is coming but already 8 months late.
So it is my opinion maybe the banks are once again trying to get a head start in this not wanting to be blindsided. This is a big deal and lots of money will be made. I can assure you of one thing. Big deals are worked on in advance with lots of planning and preparation. Tlar
Dinarblowyourhorn: When one asks, “If someone wants dinar, why don’t they just get them from a dealer like regular folks?” – I get it…it seems like a reasonable question.
However, there are many reasonable things that are only reasonable to me because I do not know some important peice of a legal, ethical, or technical information.
If I was in possession of this nugget of information and understanding, perhaps I would immediately see the whys and wherfores behind what today seems unreasonable.
It is apparent I do not know everything. Butt, for some reason I feel I know a measure of character, honesty, diligence, and smarts demonstrated by the likes of Tlar and others.
So, I suppose I humbly yield to what I believe I know in that regard and accept that I do not know other things that might relieve any tension between believing the person and understanding what seems unreasonable to me.
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All that to say…I I believe ….I believe that …I believe that we will win! I believe that we will win! I believe that we will wn! I believe that we will win!
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